CF9 - Is it great or not enough done??

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Permalink Reply by Paul Kukiel on September 14, 2009 at 6:54pm

64 bit support in CF Standard.
Full script support ( although it still seams like some things are missing )
Hibernate

There my top 3.

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Permalink Reply by Nick Tong on September 14, 2009 at 6:57pm

Hi Paul - so what do you like about Hibernate that you can't get from 'Transfer-ORM' - or have you just not used that?

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Permalink Reply by Paul Kukiel on September 14, 2009 at 7:50pm

I like that hibernate is supported by Adobe ( soon be be Railo aswell ) without installing more "stuff". I looked at Transfer but this was about the same time I heard about Hibernate in CF9 so I put that on hold. I also like not having to use XML where possible.

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Permalink Reply by Nick Tong on September 14, 2009 at 8:14pm

valid points, thanks!

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Permalink Reply by Chris Peters on September 14, 2009 at 7:40pm

The feature that I'm most looking forward to is direct integration with Apache Lucene for [cfsearch]. I just found out that Railo also uses Lucene, so it will make it easier to transition over to Railo if I choose to do so.

The ColdFusion Builder IDE is pretty nice too. Better than CFEclipse, and it sounds like future versions are going to have some really cool stuff.

I think the Hibernate stuff sounds pretty amazing, though I haven't had the opportunity to use it. I could see us eventually integrating it into CFWheels for developers that have CF9 installed. Or it can simply become another option for the model layer in your MVC framework of choice.

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Permalink Reply by Nick Tong on September 14, 2009 at 8:17pm

Sounds like a great way to go. We develop websites using fusebox mainly but with Transfer lexicons - so having hibernate built in or as a plug in would be a great plus.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Peters on September 14, 2009 at 8:23pm

Right now, we really go out of our way in the model layer to make up for the lack of performance of CF's CreateObject() function. We're releasing a version of Wheels tomorrow that does some hackery at the database level so you can calculate additional properties like fullName, based concatenation of the firstName and lastName fields (for example). All this so we can still use the much-faster query object without losing that OOP feel.

Unless I'm misunderstanding how it works, Hibernate integration really has the potential to give us back real objects without slowing down performance.

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Permalink Reply by Chris Blackwell on September 14, 2009 at 9:11pm

I believe that CF9 will vastly improve the performance of createobject()

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Permalink Reply by Adrocknaphobia on September 14, 2009 at 10:29pm

To be exact, object creation is 8x faster in ColdFusion 9 than it was in ColdFusion 8.01. We just put the first draft together for a formal performance brief that we hope to release soon.

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Permalink Reply by John Farrar on September 15, 2009 at 1:17am

Only 8??? Shouldn't it be 9 for CF9. LOL

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Permalink Reply by Paul Roe on September 14, 2009 at 8:05pm

Hibernate!

IMO, Hibernate should scale and handle load better than any of the cf orm solutions. This isn't meant as a knock to Transfer and Reactor because I love both of these solutions for different reasons, it's just that Hibernate has a bigger usage/test base thanks to Java and .NET.

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Permalink Reply by Sameer Gupta on September 14, 2009 at 9:24pm

I think instead its high time to stop using ISAPI extensions on IIS 7....and instead use the native alternatives provided in IIS7...

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